No, not the Edinburgh Fringe. That’s another circus to keep people distracted (even if it does have some good stuff in it). I’ve been out on the fringes of tinfoil hat territory again, and I have to admit, as easy as it is to snort and dismiss the likes of David Icke as lunatic, his arguments actually make much more logical sense than most of what passes for ‘science’ these days.
See, if you are caught by Satanists, whether Satan is real or not is of no consequence. It doesn’t matter. They believe in Satan and whether he is real or not, they will slit your throat and pour your blood into a chalice just the same.
It’s the same with any fundamentalist belief. Insult Allah? Islamic fundamentalists will come after you and whether Allah is real or not, you’re likely to end up just as dead either way. I’m not having a pop at Muslims here, it’s just the most recent example. Christianity has done the same thing many times in the past, as have pretty much all religions. They believe they need to kill the unbeliever and whether their god(s) are real or not, it doesn’t matter. It’s not the god that kills you. It’s the people who believe so fervently that they think they are doing their master’s bidding.
Then there are all the tricks and distractions to avoid letting people see that the ones dishing out Holy Smiting are just other people. The robes, the finery, the impressive buildings. For a long time, all Bibles were in Latin and so were inaccessible to the common pleb. They only had the priest’s word for it when he sent them out to burn witches and do a bit of smiting of the heretics. Argue with the priest? The representative of God, appointed by some other representatives of God who said he could be a priest? Unthinkable!
So when Icke says that the Elite are worshipping some Saturnic deity, it doesn’t matter if there really is such a deity. What matters is – do the elite believe it? Do they think that they are doing their master’s bidding? More and more, it seems that they do believe it. The owl at Bohemian Grove, the symbolism pointed out by those we cheerily dismiss as tinfoil-hatters, all do indeed point to the likelihood that this new Priesthood does indeed believe in the supernatural. Is the supernatural real, then?
Doesn’t matter. If those with money, power and influence believe it is real, they will kill us anyway. If it’s not real, they’ll still have all the money and they will be rid of most of us, so they are onto a winner either way.
We don’t really need the supernatural. We don’t need Saturn or Satan worship, we don’t need lizard people or flying saucers. In the end, it all boils down to money. Billionaires who want even more money, even though they have enough to buy pretty much everything in the world already. It’s hard for me to understand how such a mind works. I don’t need much money, and most of what I have to earn, I only have to earn in order to pay taxes and duty and more taxes. if it wasn’t for all the taxes I would hardly need to earn anything at all. I have no ambition to own a Rolls-Royce or a yacht or a private plane, I don’t need a fleet of cars or a chauffeur or a butler or a maid. If I ever reach the point where I have enough money that I could live on the interest, I will stop working and just spend my days gardening and making up stories to scare the gullible (and some for the not-so-gullible too). This whole idea of ‘I have billions, I need more’ is a mystery. If I had billions, I couldn’t possibly spend the interest it would accrue.
But it is all about money. That’s why I struggle to grasp the antismoking movement – sure, the Dreadful Arnott and her Borg collective get paid to be spiteful bastards but they are paid by people who want to accumulate wealth, not spend it. Go past Dreadful and who is there? Who is the man behind the curtain? Who benefits from spending all that money keeping evil, nasty, spite-driven scum in work? That’s difficult to find and what you find makes no sense.
Governments pay huge wads of cash to antismokers but what do they get in return? A promise that smoking will be eradicated and with it, absolute truckloads of tax and duty income for the Treasury. Not just from smokers buying tobacco, but all that tax on business profits from the companies, all the income tax paid by their workers, all the ancillary businesses that make the boxes and the paper and who transport the products around, all the shops for whom tobacco sales are a big part of their income and who will go under when it’s gone – we are talking a vast deficit in Government income here, if the spiteful bastards they fund ever succeed. So where is the logic in Government funding of this hugely expensive hate?
Who benefits?
Likewise, science. Over at Frank’s place again, Harleyrider points to another piece of ‘science’ that would embarrass a mediaeval alchemist. The children of smokers are more resistant to chemical irritants – and that is a bad thing!
Science is, let’s face it, stuffed. Scientists are not stupid. They have managed to get through a degree course and gain a PhD (at this point I should mention that I have personally seen two people get awarded PhDs that made me seriously think about sending mine back, stamped ‘worthless’). On the whole though, they are pretty smart people. A duffer gets through now and then but the system works most of the time.
What are they thinking when they put out crap about global warming and smoking causing dandruff? What are they thinking when they cheerfully admit that ‘five-a-day’ and alcohol unit limits were simply made up with no research behind them – or worse, when actual research gave a very different but not politically expedient number? Surely they must realise that at some point in the future, a point that might only be months away now in many cases, their fakery will be exposed and their careers will end? What are they protecting that is so important they will sacrifice themselves for the cause?
Smoking is in decline but all sorts of respiratory illnesses are fast increasing. Yet smoking is blamed for the increase even though it;s far less prevalent than it was and is banned from every indoor public space and increasingly from outdoor ones too. Smoker-hating is fashionable and trendy and the dim drones love it. They don’t see that while they are shouting at the wrong target, their children’s diseases are coming from somewhere else and nobody is looking at that other place. nobody can even get funding to look at the causes unless they are blaming it on smoking. Nothing will ever be cured, but the drones blame the smokers so their little minds are happy.
We are seeing more and more cases of mass hysteria where entire schools full of children think they are being gassed. There were two cases in Afghanistan this year. It was in Fortean Times, not the mainstream propaganda machines. Men in Black had one thing right – if you want to know about the weird stuff that’s happening, read the weirdo papers.
We are seeing more and more clusters of suicides. More and more murders – not what you might call ‘normal’ murders where a mugger kills someone for their wallet, but senseless, deranged murders. Someone kicked to death for refusing to buy booze for kids, some naked guy eating someone else’s face, that sort of thing. Every day there’s another one.
Why? Is someone causing all this? If so, why? What could anyone gain from messing with people’s heads in this way? Where is the profit, where is the motive?
Then we have the contrails/chemtrails thing. I have in the past dismissed it for the same reason – who could profit from it? What would be the point? How could spraying people with heavy metals possibly produce any kind of return on investment? Sure, there is the ‘religious zealot Satanist’ angle and there is the ‘Agenda 21′ angle but if we are talking about the sort of people Icke talks about, their main interest is money. If there’s no profit in it, they wouldn’t do it.
It turns out there is profit in it. A lot of profit. As a bonus, they get to appease their Satan/Saturn, advance their Agenda 21 and gain a lot of power and land ownership in the process.
The video is long, but those giving evidence are not what you think of as tinfoil hatters. Not the unemployed 40-year-old living in his parents’ basement. These are all professional people, some are even involved in climate science and in the financial world where the reasoning behind such a process becomes very logical indeed. In here you find why smokers get the blame for all respiratory illness and how a great deal of money could be made from what is actually very cheap chemtrailing.
You can dismiss it as tinfoil-hattery if you like. I don’t. Not any more.
I would like to think that many years from now (and if there is a world left with all the warmongering idiots in positions of power i.e Israel, USA (Romney anyone??)) that Icke will go down as a legend. A whole heap of stuff he predicted around 15 years ago are already starting to come to fruition. God only knows what it’s going to be like 100 years or so from now. I dread to think.
Interesting you mention the money thing and how some people have more of it than they’ll ever need. Good point that because it’s not about money at all, it’s all about POWER.
Then you get people like the Dreadful who only thrive off of other peoples misery, there are quite a few like her about unfortunately.
“Religion”, a man constructed moral structure to justify immoral actions and behaviour to the gullible.
And the nightmare goes on….
“The Australian Retailers Association says politicians are threatening to turn Tasmania into a nanny state in light of efforts to phase out the sale of tobacco.
The Tasmanian Upper House is unanimously calling on the State Government to make it illegal for people born after 2000 to buy tobacco when they turn 18″ http://bit.ly/NGuNdF
Whoever thought that the function of Australia would once again be a prison?
So, we can go back to sending people to Australia as a punishment? I’d love to see that. A judge glowering over a feral scroat and saying ‘I sentence you to transportation to Utopia where there will be no smoking, no booze and no butter’.
Now that would put the shits up our youth.
LI,
A very good commentary on minimum pricing for booze.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/22/alcohol_pricing_fail/
“Economists at the Office of Fair Trading have quietly demolished the UK government’s case for minimum alcohol pricing.”
“In addition to manufacturing evidence, governments and their officials also use your money to generate demand for their policies. As an example of such expenditure, look no further than the Institute for Alcohol Studies, which is one of the most persistent pressure groups and is funded by the Alliance House Foundation (AHF) – a group with a fascinating history.” [which is then expanded]
Contains links to the OFT report, plus other relevancies. The report itself is lengthy, but worth at least a quick scan.
I agree with you about status cars. You mention a Rolls, and that’s a wonderful vehicle. Then there’s the Maybach. Also a superb vehicle. They cost upwards of £200,000 and depreciation is about 40% in the 1st year. Insurance is stratospheric and they’re virtually impossible to park, being over 20 ft long!!!
Ditto things like a Rolex Oyster, solid gold. 2ozs of the stuff banging around on your wrist. Not very accurate and costs about £400 to have it serviced.
Once came upon a lady who knew the very top in the Greek shipping industry (back in the late 80′s). Cars, yachts, private jets, islands, several “second” homes and all the people needed to keep them ready for immediate use at a whim. Seems they were simply baubles.
Truth to tell Legs, while there’s an understandable wish for privacy and exclusivity, they all want to be liked. The lady I knew wasn’t a whore, far from it, she knew how to exploit this and made a f’n fortune. Ship chandling!
And this is part of the problem Squire; people like Gates and Bloomberg etc. have huge numbers of “friends” and their money will never run out, so all they have to deal with is the fragility of life itself. They can’t buy that, but that doesn’t stop them trying – and knowing that is the secret to seducing millions from the naive twits!
Seems their latest targets are the folk who won millions in the Lottery. I sincerely hope they can keep a level head. Family, friends, future. Done
Ooo, it’s worth doing the lottery on the chance of winning, just to be able to answer the phone and say ‘Ah, sorry, I’ve been declared non-human and therefore have no interest in the welfare of your species’.
@ Tony
Could you give us some specific examples of things Icke predicted that have come true?
Genuine question
Ta.
Icke’s ideas sounded wacky at the time but most of what he said has come to pass. He talked about..
A plan to create perpetual war in order to bring in ‘security’ and ‘surveillance’ of all the citizens…check
The banks would control politicians and be above the law causing a collapse in the monetary system where they would step in and hoover up countries assets in a fire sale…check
A plan to destroy ‘the family’ with cultural marxism undermining any family values and thoughts of community cohesion…check
A plan by big agri like Monsanto to drive out small farmers with gm seeds and force major business to buy only gm seed. Weather modification would ensure crops only grew in certain areas and under certain soil
conditions…check
Not sure about the lizards though
Thanks Bob.
Yeah forget the lizards.
He is also the originator of PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION.
Witchfinder Specific to see exactly what that is take a look at this Youtube vid, he absolutely nails it. Explains a lot of what we see today by the mainstream media.
I was thinking about ‘avarice’ only a night or two ago. You don’t often see it in such a way as to recognise it. I’ve only come across it a few times. It’s the situation where you buy something from someone and he counts the money. There is a sort of glow in the eyes. A concentration on the money. It isn’t the sort of concentration which a bank teller has when he counts money that you are paying in to an account. It is hard to describe. It is almost as though each ten pound note has a special feel to be savoured. When most of us get some cash, we have in our minds what we are going to do with it, whether it be bank it or spend it, but these people see only the money itself. I can’t remember exactly what was going through my mind when these thoughts came into my mind. I think that I was thinking of the traders who used to infest Blackpool golden mile at one time (don’t know if they still do). There was a guy who sold plates. He used to make a big fuss about how wonderful these plates were. He would bang them together to show how strong they were. And then he would shout, “And how much are they – £1 each? 50p each? No ladies and gentlemen! A box of 20 is only £3!” Stuff like that. But what I clearly remember was that, after he had completed his spiel, All the enthusiasm disappeared, as he coldly counted the money being handed over, which he handed over to a colleague who packed the money carefully into a bag. Even as a young lad, I often wondered why people buy plates when they are on holiday!
I can see the Gateses and the Sugars of this world being very similar. They have the brilliant idea which brings in lots of money, but, after a while, only the money becomes important. Then when they have amassed untold wealth, they look around for something which they can do with it which matches their own frugal sort of lives (despite buying houses and yachts and private islands). They need more than possessions, so they spend loads of money on depriving people of pleasures – just like they deprived themselves of pleasures while they were amassing the wealth. There, perhaps, is the reason that the Rockefellers etc finance booze, cigs and food prohibitions.
As for the Arnotts, Dolls, Duggans, etc, my feeling is that their driving force is simply to get their own way. It’s as simple as that. They want to win! So, Yes, they make a nice living and the enjoy the exercise of power, but, at the end of the day, they get their pleasure from getting other people to do their bidding.
Ah yes, Junican. Avarice. I’m sure I’ve mentioned this on here before, so sorry if I’m repeating myself, but I’ve long said that money in and of itself is, for some people, highly addictive. After all, if people can be addicted to non-chemical things like gambling or exercise or sex or work (I guess because those things give those people the same kind of thrill as others might get from a chemical stimulant), then why not money? And I think the kind of avaricious “look” that you describe is the face of addiction-satisfaction laid bare. As you say, it just isn’t there when the cashier at your local bank counts out money at the till, but I’d bet that it’s there in all its horrible glory should one be privy to Gates et al when they receive their corporations’ annual accounts, or when they are “checking over” their latest investments, or taking a peek at one of their personal bank accounts. There’s a sort of a gleeful: “It’s mine – all mine, I tell you. Mine!” –ishness about that look which is a bit unsettling. I always think this was best portrayed by Ron Moody as Fagin in the film adaptation of the Oliver Twist story during the scene where Fagin, late at night, is inspecting his secret stash of “treasures.”
It might be true to say that we are all, to an extent, “addicted” to money, but only in the same way as we might be “addicted” to food or water or shelter – because those things are basic needs and these days we need money to get those other essential things. But in essence, an “addiction” is merely the pursuit of satisfaction of a need. When directed towards things of which society disapproves, it has been awarded the name “addiction,” and as such has negative connotations in most people’s minds (which is why the idea of the need for money being an “addiction” makes people throw up their hands in horror), but the drive is the same one regardless of what the target substance/activity/environment is.
Fortunately, for most people the “addiction” to money is not much greater than our need for it, just as for most people the “addiction” to food only goes as far as having enough to be satisfied or the “addiction” to shelter is just to have a decent, warm, secure place to live. Most of us only really want to have as much money as we need for essentials, with maybe a bit more for luxuries or for emergencies. For sure, if we won the lottery it would be nice, because then we wouldn’t have to worry about having enough any more (bearing in mind that the first thing that most lottery-winners say they would do isn’t buy a yacht – it would be to pay off the mortgage), but we’re not so addicted that we’d forego everything else in our life to earn it, stamp all over other people on our way to getting it, or do things which we know are morally wrong in order to get it – something which I suspect pretty much all of the mega-rich today have at some stage in their lives done, and done purely in pursuit of the money. But simply substitute the word “heroin” for the word “money” in those three examples and you see behaviour which by anyone’s definition, must surely be the best description of addictive behaviour that there is.
I just finished watching the entire film… I’ll sleep on, it but initial reaction is “we all know something is screwed with the world/environment/money/business/etc. Whether (no pun intended) this is it, I don’t know, it’s something! The weather was certainly much hotter and nicer during the Icelandic Eyjjafhollashithappeneds volcano problem, which grounded all the planes at Heathrow (I’m 14 miles from it), co-incidence? who knows? But if it’s the yanks’ fault that we had a shit year due to the jet stream “inexplicable” wandering south, there will be a lot of “very cross” brits!
This might be part of it but I really don’t think it’s all of it. There is a lot of meddling going on that we aren’t being told about.
But then, no scientist has ever attempted to explain the experiment to the rats taking part.
First, a little point concerning how the gullible youngster gazes in open mouthed wonder when another person does not display what they have been taught. I spent a weekend at Butlins in Skegness a few years ago, I would have been 58 at the time. It was not a family holiday, it was a Brass Band contest. I was booked to help a band, and for my services, it included sharing a chalet with three others. One was a banker, another a doctor, and the other a student with smokerphobia. On the first night he brought up smoking in our discussions. We covered such subjects as second hand smoke, railway platforms and Roy Castle. The banker, (about the same age as me), said very little. The doctor nodded his head to my arguments! The smokerphobe was confused. What confused the young man most however was this. For the next two days, I never had a hacking cough in the morning, in fact, I had no cough at all. I walked around with him, we set up drums and percussion, I played my part, and never flagged or got short of breath.
Years ago, I spent an entire day in a meeting with a potential contract-provider. Towards the end of the day he introduced his son, who was selling the (very new at that time) Electrofag. He said ‘Of course, it won’t interest you since you’re not a smoker’.
His face was a picture.
Here is my second point. You mention the Borg and the Collective. Now as a Trekkie, I understand this. I am however concerned that many of our own Collective are not benefitting from the meaning of this. I know that you Mr Iron PhD can explain this far better than me. So please my dear Leg, can you give a brief resume of the Borg and the Collective…and try to include a clip of 7 of 9 from Voyager. Live long and prosper.
Ah, a description of the Borg. The drones aren’t quite there yet but they are getting closer by the day.
Does anyone know the title of the episode where Q introduces Pickard to the Borg for the first time? It’s one of the best examples of their mindset that was ever screened.
I am onto this. My son has a phenomenal knowledge re trek (although this does not extend to when my birthday is).
Instant response from said issue. The episode is called “Q Who?”
Thanks. I’ve actually been looking for that episode for a long time. Q and the Borg in one show, it was the best one ever.