For years, the drones have been fed lies about the alleged deadliness of a mere whiff of tobacco smoke and many of them believe it. They believe there are deadly doses of six hundred different chemicals crammed into a few milligrams of dried leaf. They believe that even talking to a smoker will kill them, make their children explode and turn their cat inside out.
So why would anyone think they’d bat an eyelid when they are told that fake cigarettes are dangerous? Hell, they believe Electrofag is dangerous! They think cigarettes are radioactive and powered by jet fuel. They think smoke causes bacterial infections and unfortunate trouser experiences. More dangerous? How?
The smokers have been told, over and over, that smoking causes everything. Entire medical dictionaries have been replaced with the mantra ‘Smoking did it’ and doctors don’t even bother looking for other causes any more. So tell the smokers the fakes are dangerous and what do they do? They shrug and say ‘How can they be more dangerous than death?’
I’m afraid the cry of ‘Wolf’ has gone out once too often. Nobody is listening now.
Fake cigarettes can certainly be dangerous. They are unregulated and could have all sorts of nasty impurities in them. However, cigarettes made out of dead flies and human crap are not going to fool any smoker. As soon as that flame touches the end, we’ll know it’s not tobacco. Pure hyperbole, folks, and laughably silly. The drones believe it all.
The most interesting part of the article is the conflation of fake tobacco with imported tobacco, and there’s no distinction made between legally or illegally imported tobacco either. It’s impossible to work out how much of the tobacco is actually fake and how much is real stuff sneaked in from the EU and sold by Man with a Van. There is also no attempt to distinguish Man with a Van’s tobacco from that brought in legitimately by people travelling abroad, for their own use.
When plain packaging arrives, of course, it will be utterly impossible to know what you’re buying so why pay shop prices? The stuff in the shop might be fake, you’ll never know until you hand over your money. It will be safer to inspect the EU packs, at least you have a chance of spotting the fakes and there will be far fewer of them anyway. Criminals won’t bother working to copy the packs on sale in other countries, not when they have an easy all-the-same pack to copy here.
There is much talk in the article about how much money the Treasury ‘loses’ in tax because we awkward buggers aren’t paying it. Yet at the same time, they want us all to stop smoking. Surely if we all buy our tobacco abroad, the effect on the Treasury is the same as if we all stop smoking? Isn’t that loss of revenue exactly what ASH and its satellite groups are trying to achieve?
We’re just helping out, that’s all.
October is now set to be the month in which we are to see a new wave of antismoking propaganda.
That’s okay. Tobacco harvesting has begun and although I haven’t managed to grow an awful lot this year, I should certainly have enough to ensure I’m in no danger of paying any tobacco tax in October. I don’t want to let the Government down, now do I? They want me to stop paying tobacco tax and I am happy to oblige.
Incidentally, I saw a sign in a shop window today, a sign I have not seen for many years. It said ‘Brewing equipment on sale’. Once, you could buy beer kits in supermarkets and there were homebrew shops all over the place. That all faded away, to the point where you’d get blank stares if you mentioned ‘demijohn’ or ‘airlock’. Now they are making a comeback.
The government don’t want alcohol duties either. They have said so. So, let’s all be good citizens and stop paying them.
Plain packaging eh? Try ‘no packaging’. We’re way ahead of you, antismokers.
And fear not, politicians. We’ll make sure you don’t get that revenue you don’t want. When ASH and the rest have brought the country to bankruptcy, just remember you asked for it. In fact you demanded it, insisted on it, legislated for it and funded it.
When the last light goes out in Westminster, we’ll still be smoking and drinking.
And for your further delectation
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/new-research-reveals-tap-water-1316118
The final paragraphs of that article:
The Scottish Government said: “There are currently no plans for artificial hardening of water beyond that which is required to comply with legal standards.
“Setting a minimum price of alcohol is one of the most effective ways of reducing alcohol misuse and harm and that is why we will be introducing one.”
displays the most breathtaking arrogance I’ve come across in a long while. Really. Who. The. Fuck. Do. You. Think. You. Are? A piano wire / lamp post candidate if ever I heard one.
I am fortunate in still having a not-too-distant brewing shop, one of the few that has survived. The owner doesn’t seem to understand apostropes but runs a good shop and is good on practical advice. http://www.thejollybrewersot.co.uk/. No connection, I’m just a customer.
“The owner doesn’t seem to understand apostropes …” LOVE that bit (despite the typo)!
Fewer and fewer people seem to; though, even worse, there is now the apparent belief that commas need to be herded – many will appear, as if corralled, in one post/document/article, spread apparently at random, then none will appear for several more articles/posts/etc. despite them obviously crying out for some breathing space.
Perhaps it is something to do with the GCSE results…
As a retailer, he is (just about) permitted the use of the ‘greengrocer’s apostrophe’, as in:”potato’s, apple’s and banana’s”. It’s an old tradition in the UK greengrocers’ guild.
I’ve had no joy at all in growing my own tobacco but I have started brewing my own booze.
A home brew shop has recently opened in our local indoor market. I’ve not paid any beer tax for at least a month and don’t intend to ever again (Apart from when I go to the pub, which will be even less often now).
I just need to get these tobacco plants grown.
Canada a gallon baggie of 200 smokes 10 bucks canadian delivered to your mailbox at nite! Isnt Capitalism wonderful. That story broke 3 years ago.
Today the BlackMarket in America is Thriving and the Nazis are simply pleading for all the low tax states to increase their taxes to stop the intra-state blackmarket movement. The jest of it is low tax states get their smokes bought in increasing amounts which increaes their revenue stream,why risk that! Then on the flip side if the states with low tax upped it theyd just see the bootleggers take over in their state too selling on the streets. Simple answer is Higher taxes are bad for everyone except the bootleggers!
What the Righteous have completely missed is the fact that the law only says that ciggie packets must be plain at point of sale. I therefore have a modest proposal:
Firstly, change the type of cellophane that the ciggies are packed in from transparent to opaque.
Secondly, change the location of the opening strip so that it runs top to bottom. At present, you rip the strip, and can open the packet without removing the rest of the cellophane. Change the location and you have to remove ALL the cellophane to get into the packet.
Beneath the opaque cellophane packaging is the same old branded packaging that we all know and love (except for me, I don’t smoke) which means that the marketing brand remains the same, and the Righteous will have effectively shot themselves in the foot with their enforcement regime. This also will keep the pressure on fake ciggie makers to carry on faking the box packaging as well.
Simple when you know how, eh?
Simple but sadly it won’t work mate because they will have some rule in the legislation against it. As Leggy has said and I agree with him, it is going to happen, let the f**king twats hang themselves.
I told my youngest daughter (29) I was thinking of trying those electronic fags, she looked totally agast, telling me they were dangerous, they can blow up and there still bad for your health, but, says I, there’s no nicotine in them, but Mum she says, smoke still comes out of them. Well, says I what comes out of your kettle, steam and that’s exactly what comes out of the EF’s. Well, she said, the government says there dangerous..Ye Gods, to think that a daughter of mine has been so totally brianwashed. But I did concede a point, they can be dangerous, especially if your on a bus on the M25, with a bit of steam coming out of your bag and surrounded by trigger happy
cops.
Been homebrewing for bout 3 years now, wine for me and lager/cider for the other half, best thing we ever did, though do allow him a bought bottle of whiskey now and again
. It’s saved us tons of money, and it tastes quite good.
Let’s hope that shower of b******* don’t get wind of it.
All this talk of growing tobacco reminds me of the first time I was here in Greece, in 1967. I found myself (can’t remember why) on a big tobacco farm, and when I left, the owner gave me a big sheaf of tobacco leaves. Must have been about a kilo. They’d been dried and cured, but were still in leaf form, about a foot long by about six to eight inches wide. As I was travelling with a minimum of chattels, I didn’t actually have much success shredding them to a suitable size for smoking in a fag paper. It was always too chunky, and didn’t burn properly, so I ended up giving them away. Probably would have had problems crossing the border into Turkey anyway, and fags were soooo cheap then that it didn’t seem worth the aggro. Pity, though. Had I had access to normal household utensils for chopping and shredding, I might have got a really good smoke out of them.
Dead is Dead and whether you are a smoker, ex-smoker, or never-smoker, your chances of dying from a disease ’caused’ by smoking are pretty much the same.
Why?????
Data from Doll’s doctors study shows that:
85% of current smokers deaths were from the diseases that are claimed to be caused by smoking.
85% of the ex-smokers deaths were the same.
84% of the never-smokers deaths were the same.
Current smokers have the same chance of dying from a disease caused by smoking as does an ex-smoker and ONLY 1.01 times the chances of a never-smoker!!!
TC antis claim there are, in the UK, 100,000 smokers’ deaths per year from those diseases; but, if all smokers quit, there would be ZERO decrease in that number for quite a while.
Since 84/85 = 99%, it would take 40-50 years( all ex’s dead) before that number dropped to 99,000.
About 85% of the e-cig users will die from a disease ’caused’ by smoking; because, everybody does!!!!
Thanks for the link LI. Damn caterpillars got at my plants but I didn’t lose much. I managed to find the buggers and pick them off. I have more harvest than I expected. They’re still growing and I’ve still a lot to get but I expect they’ll start dying off towards the end of #Octabber :>) Then I’ll bring a couple inside and grow indoors over winter.
“A haul in Derbyshire found cigarettes made from the remains of crushed flies.
Experts believe that MS Intelligence’s findings may be merely the tip of the iceberg.”
“Big business: Counterfeit and smuggled tobacco costs the taxpayer up to £3.6billion a year in lost revenue”
Tobacco duty applies to tobacco, not dead flies, not cigarette shaped things full of poop. No duty would be due on fake cigarettes anything like they describe.
OT, but someone is suggesting making a Stoptober video counter-ad. I think that’s a great idea. How about a fiendish Leg-iron plot for a video ad?