Obesity and poor diet cost the NHS billions of pounds every year and the Department of Health claims voluntary deals with big food companies is the best way to influence what we eat.
See it now? No? Then you are an irredeemable idiot like most of the sock-puppet commenters on that article.
The War on Chubbiness is not about health any more than is the War on Smokers or the War on Tipplers. It is all about control and it uses exactly the same methods.
The same drones who dutifully attack those who don’t fit the British Standard Human template will be surprised to know that they, too, are to have their diets controlled. To ‘save the NHS money’. This NHS is a monster. It wants control of all your lives so it won’t have to do anything in return for the massive amounts of money you pay it. It no longer matters if you smoke, drink or are overweight, you must be controlled to ‘save the NHS money’.
What are they saving it for? Not for you, that’s for sure. Not for your parents or grandparents who are now legally killed off in ways that would get any animal experimenter arrested. Why are we paying for this scythe-wielding control monster? Why are you paying for it? Why is it costing you so much to be told how to live your one and only life? Have you, Anti, thought about that?
Of course not. You have been indoctrinated to hate and that is what you do. You cannot understand why someone like me, with a PhD and a long publication record would turn their backs and take a job as a janitor. I have found, even in small Local Shop, I am not the only one. These days all I care about is covering the bills. Why bother earning more to fund those who hate me?
I have a collection of frozen probiotic bacteria running into the hundreds and if they were all lost I could regenerate that collection in a month or two because I know how. Some of them will knock Actimel into a cocked hat. You will never see them. I have several bottles left of the gut-stabiliser that is good enough to cure, let alone ward off, Clostridium difficile and it’s mine. What it’s made of might die with me. Maybe the company who sponsored the work will eventually persuade the NHS to actually listen rather than screw them over but after their most recent experience, I doubt they’ll try again. I certainly never will.
I no longer care because I am not human. I am Denormalised. There is not one fuck left to give. Not even half. So they will control your diet. They will control mine as effectively as they control my drinking and smoking, that is, not in the slightest. You drones, hah hahaha haaa. You wanted this and here it is. There is one way out and only one. Break the cornerstone. Destroy the smoking ban entirely. That is what all the rest is built on and while it exists, all the new shit will just keep coming.
It really is your choice, antismokers.
You leave us alone or you take the same shit as us.
I am long past caring either way.
I remember a pub conversation over this in 2005. I told them, ‘If this gets through, then every single-issue nutter will have a green light and a blueprint’, oh how they, both professionals, laughed. As they would. It’ll take a while for the upper-middles to realise they’re firmly in the crosshairs…
I’m still having those conversations. mention controls on salt and fat and I still get ‘Oh, they’d never do that’. None so blind as those who will not see.
As usual, you have hit the nail on the head, LI. The drones will swallow any shit that the ‘experts’ excrete (almost literally).
Sometimes I wonder why newspapers publish this ‘research’. My feeling is that they do so because it is ‘controversial’. They know very well that it is excreta, but publish it because they know that it will provoke many comments.
I sometimes think that we smokers ought to stop commenting on these reports totally and completely. Leave them to those who support the persecution. Let ASH have 100% (equals 0% when the only people voting are themselves – if you are ‘the whole thing’, then percentages are meaningless). If newspapers find that there is no controversy, then they will stop printing the press releases and studies.
The problem is that it is so inviting to point out the inadequacies of the drones. It really is difficult to stop oneself from fighting. It is hard to stop oneself from fighting the wrong people. The drones, stinkers and asthmatics are of no significance – leave them to it. Let the drones fill the newspaper comment sections with hate. Newspapers will soon stop publishing the press releases if the only comments are from stinkers and asthmatics and drones.
Is it possible to spread the word that it is against our interests to comment on newspaper articles which promote junk science?
The thought occurs to me that one COULD comment if one avoids commenting on the subject matter. One could simply say, without further comment, “This is junk science. Anyone with any intelligence knows that”. But it is hard to resist the temptation to expand.
Further, it is hard to see how one could influence the opinion of one’s MP. If one pesters them, they will just ignore one’s communications. In any case, MPs, no matter what the subject may be, have hardly ever refused to vote for the Government.
Our political system stinks. It is set up for there to be only a little dissent. Deals are done in non-smoky rooms. The greatest pity of all is that the noble ideals of proper democracy (a rule of law which allows for personal freedom within a ‘do no harm’ framework) has been distorted beyond belief. ‘Do no harm’ has become ‘Do not harm yourself – or else”.
MPs are supposed to be intelligent people. I find it to be incomprehensible that so many of them are just drones.
The drones, stinkers and asthmatics are of no significance – leave them to it.
Yo Cousin,those folks are likely the same ASH conspirators as always hitting the comments and guarding their baby stories at every turn.
Same sockpuppets every time. I heard one on the radio talking about the new ‘this is bad for you’ labels for food. As soon as she said ‘I am a hard-working mother trying to do the best for my family’ I thought ‘Sockpuppet’.
They have no imagination.
XX ‘I am a hard-working mother trying to do the best for my family’ XX
Read “Dum bitch who has trouble understanding the intelectual conntent of “The Sun”.
MPs get picked by their party and canvassed for by the party machine. The actual MP could be a sausage in a suit, and most are, because they are not getting picked on merit and not doing anything themselves to get elected, other than what they are told.
Look at President O Blimey. He can’t give a speech without a teleprompter. The one before him was even more obviously dim. These people are just figureheads. They run nothing, they decide nothing. They just announce it.
Why not try acting as no smoking ban had ever been passed. Smoke where you please and where challenged about it, start speaking Mexican. After two attemps, they generally ignore me and go away, in California anyway.
In the UK, fines for dropping butts are routinely issued by ersatz police or council minions. I can understand why people are intimidated by a fake police uniform though I’m surprised anybody would voluntarily give genuine personal details to a council jobsworth (in the full knowledge it’d cost around £80). That is, enter into a binding contract with corporations which are blatantly seeking to make a profit, and all too often deliberately targeting/intimidating smokers as part of the on going persecution process.
They don’t bother you if you look like you might give them a hard time. They go for middle aged women and those who look submissive. Look like you are ready to tear out their liver with your teeth and they pass you by. These are standard schoolyard bullies and are cowards with fancy badges.
What really bugs me is the attitude displayed by a couple of people where I work and by many, many others. “Yes, I smoke, but I know I shouldn’t and I feel guilty enjoying one.”
If you don’t want to smoke, don’t smoke. If it is making you feel bad, stop doing it. If you are enjoying it, say ‘Fuck off’ to the world and just enjoy it. Despite all those paid-off pseudoscientists and their studies based on superstition and dollars, smoking hurts nobody else. Nobody. I am no longer so certain that it is that big a risk even for the actual smoker. Things Junican, Frank Davis, Harleyrider and others have unearthed have thrown the whole ‘smoking is bad for you’ belief system into doubt.
If the antismokers had left well alone, we’d all still believe it, you know.
It works,but for it to really work requires SMOKE INS the world over!
The trouble is, it’s not us who get fined. If it were we could set up a fighting fund and go for it.
It’s the premises who get fined so they are forced to act as unpaid enforcers while they watch their customer base wither away. They aren’t even allowed to provide a decent outdoor shelter, although some do try their best. If you are ever in Aberdeen, visit Ma Cameron’s pub, where the smoking area is the rooftop garden. 75% no walls, but huge umbrellas fitted with heaters. Expect the whiners to complain anyway. There is nothing in those people but spite.
NY TIMES calls Dalligate TOBACCOGATE
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/world/europe/dalli-resignation-leaves-eu-with-a-mystery.html?ref=europe
The spin never ends! Turning it into a case against big tobacco instead of corrupt anti-tobacco healthists.
harley
And the doublethink rumbles on. Even when they are caught in their lies, it’s still someone else’s fault. The mark of a childish mind, for sure.
Obesity and poor diet cost the NHS billions of pounds every year and the Department of Health claims voluntary deals with big food companies is the best way to influence what we eat.
Study: live to 100 by defying all health advice
Einstein College recently studied folks who lived past age 95. The reluctantly reported result: “People who live to 95 or older are no more virtuous than the rest of us in terms of their diet, exercise routine or smoking and drinking habits.”
Einstein College press release:
http://www.einstein.yu.edu/home/news_pr … 78&pt=news
Did you notice in link above that they just state that the very old smoked about as much as did people who died younger, with no detail given, although detail is given regarding eating, boozing, exercise, and so on? Well, when it came to publishing the abstract with the National Institutes of Health, they ignore smoking results entirely! They do say that smoking was studied, but make no mention whatsoever that smoking was not shown to impair longevity: again, as with the press release, precise detail is given regarding other studied factors, but when it came to smoking — the holy taboo of all holy taboos — they simply couldn’t bear even to mention their own finding!
Here it is: the official NIH abstract:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21812767
You’d probably have to pay about $50 to buy the full study from the Wiley service where it’s posted. But you don’t have to. A reporter for an independent publication who read the study tells us that about 74% of 70-year old men smoked and that smokers still made up the majority of over-95 men at 60%, while 26% of 70-year-old women smoked and a greater proportion of about 30% of over-95 women smoked, and that, all-in-all, the oldest folks did not particularly follow any of the Healthist advice to exercise, eat “healthy”, or avoid booze and tobacco.
The news article:
http://lee-robinson-petzer.tumblr.com/p … pectations
Did you note the researcher’s conclusion: “Although this study demonstrates that centenarians can be obese, smoke and avoid exercise … We should watch our weight, avoid smoking and be sure to exercise, since these activities have been shown to have great health benefits for the general population, including a longer lifespan.”
Legiron what do they call it when they always put in the normal bullshit about anti-smoking at the bottom of a study that basically refutes the anti=tobacco message like with breast cancer and smoking or with asthma and children etc………….
I think they call it ‘lying’.
This is pure gold. If anyone has access to the Journal of the American Geriatric Society, I’d love to see a full paper.
OK, I’ve just sent you the PDF of the paper. Sadly they do not cite all the data used, but what is there looks good. One thing to note: the people used were Ashkenazi Jews, who are famously long-lived but may differ from the general population.
Thanks, I’ll read it through and write about it later.
I seem to be having problems with you links just recently, Harley. The one for LRP is giving me “URL not found”.
Things could be worse though…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222442/North-Korean-official-executed-drinking-100-day-mourning-late-Dear-Leader-Kim-Jong-il.html?ICO=most_read_module
Matter of time, prog. Matter of time. Not much time, the way things are going.
XX What are they saving it for? XX
More to the point, WHAT have they done with the millions they have ALLREADY “saved”?
This is not a new phenomanea. The same with every OTHER “Government” run enterprise.
Year after year we are told (here in Germany as well), that “savings must be made!”. Yet year after year we are told “Oh fuck me! How bad our bank account looks!!! We must make more savings…..etc, etc”. (At the same time as they are giving their Greek bum chums millions upon millions)
HEL! Why do they not make the ULTIMATE saving and just refuse to pay ANYTHING, whether it be road repairs, hospital waiting times, taxi licences, you bloody NAME it.
Just be honest, and take our money to pay for your whoring, multiple bastards, and holidays to the Carribean. It is what you cunts are spending it on any way.
Don’t like them much.
I would never have guessed, FT.
I was “thrilled” to discover I have to buy my own crutches (MND) – because I only have my rubbishy NHS ones on loan and they want them back now please – so they’re not spending the savings on those kind of frivolities. I probably brought it on myself though. Must have. Lifestyle causes everything now, doesn’t it?
The more money they save, the more they spend on telling us all how to live. Fighting the Health Controllers is fast becoming as urgent as fighting Hitler (and Norwich troll, you can ram your Godwin up your arse on this one. You’re spam-filtered anyway, I told you you have no voice here).
In 1947, a National Health Service was set up in the UK. This was a commedable social policy, which was not free, because the 98% who worked….(aside, mainly men, times have changed)….where was I? yes, the 98% who worked paid a National Insurance.
Let us zoom to 2012, no, in the spirit of the blog, let us warp 65 earth years. Our National Insurance is now just part of our income tax, to go into the big deficit pot. The National Health Service has now been transformed into crumbs under the table for which we must now be grateful. It is now a gift which we must earn.
“Break the cornerstone. Destroy the smoking ban entirely. That is what all the rest is built on and while it exists, all the new shit will just keep coming.”
That’s the crux of it, Leggy. Unless and until all those “others” challenge the whole principles upon which the smoking ban is based, they are doomed to failure when attempting to resist the same principles when they are applied to their own vice. And of course, it’s a powerful argument – that “NIMBY” one – isn’t it? It renders any challenger in a hypocritical light, and that’s never a good way to be seen in when one is trying to make a point, or challenge a flawed viewpoint. Health fascists of all shades must just love the anti-smoking industry, even if anti-smoking isn’t their particular “thing,” because they’ve done all the prior hard work of working out how to kick any arguments into touch.
It’s just a shame that, even now, with all kinds of different prohibitions looming on the horizon, the vast majority of the public just can’t make the connection.
Still a few days of Octabber to go.
I’ve noticed that they’re still asking people to join the “Octabber-fest” – perhaps “turn-out” has been – err – rather disappointing. But being as it’s now the 27th of October are they suggesting that people give up for a day, just to say that they’ve done it? Or are they going to keep plugging “Octabber” right through November? And if so, doesn’t that render the oh-so-catchy “Octabber” name a bit pointless? Are they still going to be exhorting everyone to give up “for Octabber” in the middle of June …??
You mean Stoptober. Octabber is Pat Nurse’s retaliation. We’re only smoking non-UK-duty tobacco for the month.
They will keep on plugging Stoptober. They started with a no smoking day, now it’s a month, soon it’ll be a season, then a year… and we won;t take a blind bit of notice.
Whoops! Yes, I did mean “Stoptober.” Sorry, Patsy, my mistake!! But it does, however, indicate how well “Octabber” has stuck in my brain, whereas “Stoptober” is clearly much more easily forgotten …!
Ptb2nd, Play them at their own game. Ignore them, I`ve had mine for 5yrs and a couple of months ago I went to the clinics, looked for people on crutches then looked at the doctors board. Then went to physio and asked them to change my worn out ones, they asked if I were a patient and I said yes, giving the doctors name. Got new crutches with no prob and will do the same when the rubbers wear down.
I am not sure that the NHS wants to control I lives, but I do think it is infested with people who each realises, consciously or subconsciously, that they can progress their agenda by not letting any opportunity pass to ratchet things in their desired direction.
A conspiracy? Is a crowd of foolball supporters all singing the same song a conspiracy? No, just a whole lot of people concentrated in a small place with approximately the same views, songsheet and agenda.
I keep seeing the term “de-normalise” crop up time and time again.
We Are Normal (and we want our freedom!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZXI9RJSgok
It could be that same football crowd style of thinking. A fan comes up with a new song and it spreads. A Righteous comes up with a method of denormalising people just out of spite, and the other Righteous adopt the method.
I could never see it as a full-blown conspiracy because that would require intelligence, and the anti-everything lot don’t have any. Besides, they balls up everything they do. There isn’t a lot of thought behind their knee-jerk actions.