Today the UK decides who runs it. Our own government or a far-away EU government. I have voted already.
Tomorrow we find out whether the people of this country have the guts to stand on their own, or whether they wish to remain in a money-draining club that is looking ever more unstable by the day.
Nobody seems to know much about what the EU does. It’s not so much that it’s secretive, it’s more that (in the UK at least) politicians look down on the rest of the country as if they are simpletons. Don’t ask questions about politics, you can’t possibly understand the answers. Just tune in to the TV and stop bothering us or we’ll send you to bed without supper. Politicians wonder why nobody likes them, but that’s how they come across in any interaction with the public.
Well, now that arrogance has come back to haunt them. People are, on the whole, scared of things they don’t understand and it’s now become clear that neither the Leave nor Remain camps actually have any real idea what they are voting for.
So we have all this crazy nonsense such as ‘leaving the EU means severing all links to every country in Europe’. ‘We won’t be able to go on holiday’ ‘The UK will just drift into the mid-Atlantic and sink’ ‘Zombies will come. Zombies!’
The other side can be just as crazy with wild promises of streets paved with gold and a money tree in every garden. Really it all boils down to ‘we have no idea what the EU is for but we either like it or hate it depending on what someone we don’t like prefers’.
I have actually been told, on Twitter, that voting ‘leave’ is what Nigel Farage and Donald Trump want, and that should be a good enough reason to vote ‘Stay’. Really? I should base my vote on some kind of tongue-poking exercise at people I’ve never met?
I based my vote on a desire to see this country stand on its own again. We don’t need all those extra layers of bureaucracy. This is Britain. Nobody does bureaucracy better than us. We perfected it ages ago and we have forms for everything. We have no need of anyone overseeing our paperwork, we are really very good at it.
All I see of the EU is a vast drain on resources to pay people to do stuff we are actually better at doing ourselves. Layer upon layer of officials, even more than a local council. It’s become ridiculous.
Dai Cameroid is still talking about renegotiating our place in the EU and Jean-Claude Juncker has made clear that’s not going to happen. No negotiations at all. The EU isn’t interested in compromises and is never going to change. There really is only one option. In or out.
This is it. Decision time. Stayed lashed to the apron strings of the EU, an organisation that seems to me to only exist to make politicians rich – or strike out on our own, make our own decisions, form our own trade partnerships without having to ask anyone’s permission or pay anyone to let us do it.
The polls close in four and a half hours. If you haven’t voted, go and do it. decide which way you want the future to go and cast your vote. Don’t just let the day slip by.
You’ll never have the chance again.
Gonna be a long night, best of luck to us.
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I’m not staying up to watch it. I’ll wait for the final result tomorrow
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I watched it, I watched it GOOD
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Watch out for absentee ballots in the mail if you guys have that over there. The Antismokers in California pulled a fast one a number of years ago on an important vote where suddenly a boatload of ballots in their favor all supposedly came in from overseas — a *highly* unlikely occurrence that all those troops in Iraq etc had voted overwhelmingly to tax and ban things back home — but those votes won the day for them.
– MJM, who’s growing more and more cynical about the overall integrity of elections when power groups are involved.
P.S. OK… just checked my records, and I believe the vote I’m thinking of was the first huge money grab by Glantz and friends in 1988: a 25 cent tax on cigs with all(?) of it going to the Antismokers. That amounted to something like fifty to a hundred million dollars: ten times what the Antis had ever had nationwide prior to that vote. Proposition 29 I believe if anyone wants to look into it or check the accuracy of my memory.
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Here it’s the postal votes that swing it. They have been found to be rigged in the past but still we have them!
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I was disappointed not to find a queue at my polling station (situated in a densely populated suburb) and at 5pm not many who’d registered seemed to have voted.
I voted with a pen 🙂
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It was quiet here too, but then I was there about midday
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Actually, if what I’ve been reading is accurate, a low turnout SHOULD favor Brexit since the Brexit voters are more likely to be motivated to turn out at all. A low turnout means only the most motivated voters are voting… which would then favor Brexit.
Leg, that postal vote business sucks to high heaven. If the Remainers win on the basis of postal votes I hope to high heaven that they are SERIOUSLY investigated for fraud.
– MJM
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It seems the Government is not bound by the vote. If Leave wins and they don’t want to leave, we don’t leave.
If that happens it is going to put a lot of shit on a very big fan and not just here. Other countries are making noises about a referendum and if they see it can just be overruled, they might decide not to bother with the peaceful route.
I might just keep a bag packed in case a sudden exit is in order…
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Perhaps they couldn’t get home from work:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/thousands-of-commuters-battle-to-get-home-after-flash-floods-spark-rail-chaos-a3279561.html
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There are buses. If they complain about dangerous overcrowding while adding to the crowd and can’t cope with any change to their routine, they were probably going to vote to remain anyway 😉
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This is Britain. Nobody does bureaucracy better than us
Try doing business in Greece, LI. The Brits are amateurs by comparison! 🙂
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I still think the Vogons were based on the typical British council office 😉
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Yes, true. There’s something plodding and fatalistic about British bureaucracy, sort of like the bureaucrats have lost the will to live and have no real interest in the pettiness they are promulgating.
The Greeks, on the other hand, seem to revel in the Catch 22 rules and regulations they generate. As an example, when I was here in 1987 (long before Greece was EU), to I had to register my business with the local Chamber of Commerce.
They told me that before I could register with them, I had to have a business premises with a commercial rental contract, with all the official stamps and signatures so beloved of the Greeks.
But to get a commercial rental contract on a premises, I first had to be registered as a business with the Chamber of Commerce, otherwise a commercial contract couldn’t be drawn up…
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“before I could register with them, I had to have a business premises with a commercial rental contract, with all the official stamps and signatures so beloved of the Greeks. But to get a commercial rental contract on a premises, I first had to be registered as a business with the Chamber of Commerce, otherwise a commercial contract couldn’t be drawn up…”
Sounds like it’s out of an Orwell novel…
Michael
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Yes, it was a somewhat intractable situation. The solution, however, proved to be very simple, and epitomised the way things work here.
I rented a commercial premises from a guy who was an influential member of the board of the Chamber of Commerce.
Problem solved.
You can do most things here if you know the right people.
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Just spotted your post. I had an early snooze and have stayed up. If you don’t want to know the result, look away now.
We just have to hold them to it no matter what it takes. My MP is already calling for another ‘independence’ referendum – it is stirring up hatred again already (against me). Two days ago I was inundated on Twitter by a swarm of Gnats, just spiteful, ignorant people, gagging for more immigrants and worried about their ‘human rights’ (like being able to marry their tortoise, probably).
I expect Scottish politics to be dirtier than ever and real resentment to flourish. It’s not all good news, but I can always live in England again.
Anyway, thank you England and Wales.
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“can’t we all just get along”?
I really hope so.
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I was hoping yesterday that we would give my mother the best birthday present ever. One that her grand children could share in as the yoke of EU serfdom was thrown off.
Well it looks like she has got it.
Now we have to hold the feckers to account to ensure we don’t get stitched up behind closed doors in Bruxelles. At the moment I do not see any politician capable of leading the negotiations and healing the rift caused by Quisling Cameroon.
Perhaps we need a government of “national unity” with a proper people’s parliament until such time as we do manage to break free of the smothering EU embrace?
ps
I doff my old uniform cap in your general direction Leggy as it’s from the torch of liberty you and other fellow bloggers held aloft we have been able to ignite the beacon of freedom – Thank you.
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…… and there goes the pig fucker. That’s a good result all on it’s own. Trouble is, who’s going to replace him? Boris??
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52 to 48 is a decent spread, but it’s not a landslide. Unfortunately I think it’s close enough that it will trigger my “close” scenario where it will be ignored with various justifications and will leave a significant group of very, VERY angry people.
What possibilities exist for peaceful protest/action through widespread civil disobedience type activities if indeed the government declares that “Given the degree of disruption that would be involved, the vote was too close to warrant a change.” followed quickly by a game-changer of “Future votes to leave the EU will have to be decided by a 2/3rds majority.” or some such? The government would even have a basis of precedent for that sort of rule: Here in the US I believe a Constitutional Amendment requires a 2/3 Congressional vote and THEN goes on to require a 3/4 majority of the states. And of course we also have the UN Security Council with every permanent member having a Veto.
– MJM, who was about to have another chocolate until he vetoed it.
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We did it Leggy, we did it. I campaigned for leave. It’s champer at mine tonight. the pub last night was a buzz with political chatter and it was leave, leave, leave. I went home with hope. Huzzah! We won.
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CHAMPERS!!!
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The underdogs have bitten
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Just over 17 million of them 😉
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EU Referendum? That’s yesterday’s news, since which time Dave’s gone (shortly to be followed, I hope, by Gideon) and wee Nicola’s gunning for another referendum!
What a day!!! Tonight I’ll toast to a brighter future.
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I think it’ll be all right, old man. It’s at least good that it seems to have happened in an orderly fashion – despite some thoughts about “certain dirty tricks by remain” – one of which perhaps was actually committed…last Thursday….
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Let the Scots and the Northern Irish leave the UK for the tender mercies of the unelected Commissars of the EU. Nicola Sturgeon has just said she’ll be looking for another Scottish independence vote so Scotland can stay in the EU, if of course there’s an EU to stay in once the Dutch, French and Germans decide enough is enough.
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The sheep have roared!
Suddenly I’m genuinely proud of my country!
We will be punished, I expect. Whatever. Bring it on!
On the downside, I won’t be able to get my fags in Poland any more. 😦
I’d better get well-stocked in the time that remains!
What a glorious day!
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On the other hand, you can now get the duty free smokes that are off limits unless you travel outside the EU.
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The looking down on was noticeable on R2 today. The few outers who spoke all had marked regional accents. The large number of wailing remainers spoke proper.
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They really are incapable of learning, aren’t they?
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