Free Speech for the right kind of speech.

Old Holborn has often touched on the very edge of offensive and sometimes kicked the edge to bits and stomped the bits into the ground. I have not always agreed with him but I am in favour of free speech so while he has said things I sometimes very strongly disagree with, I would never even consider telling him to shut up. How would I know what  I don’t agree with if I never heard about it?

Sometimes people can be wrong. I speak from experience – I was nearly wrong once. Listening to a view you don’t currently agree with might sometimes make you think ‘Hang on, maybe my view is not perfect.’ If all other views are stifled then you have no frame of reference for the views you hold. The comical fantasy views indoctrinated into you in school will stay with you forever. That is all you will ever know. The thinking people will ridicule you, and you will never understand why.

Free speech can be offensive. It doesn’t have to be, then again sometimes it does have to be. Sometimes the things that need to be said will make the feeble cry. Sometimes you have to tell a friend that they are stinking because no matter how often they wash, their entire house stinks so bad it soaks into their clothes and follows them round like sewage-bomb fallout. Clean your damn house. Or pay me to do it. Sometimes you have to tell a fat friend that the reason their diets fail is that they eat too much. “Yes, you eat all the right diet food, but you also eat fifteen Mars bars and six bags of chips a day as well. It doesn’t work that way.” Sometimes, as another forgotten old saying goes, you have to be cruel to be kind.

Sometimes you have to be cruel just because it’s too funny to resist. OH does that. It’s the same vicious humour that makes Frankie the Boil and other Leftie twats wads of money but gets non-Lefties like OH death threats.

If I had been Frankie Boyle’s dad, I’d have called him Lance. He’d still have had red hair and glasses too. What a lousy school experience he’d have had. Lucky escape there, Frankie. I hate children and you would have been one when you were named.

I admit to being cruel because it’s funny but rarely online. I prefer face to face cruelty. You can’t savour all the little emotions, as the Joker said, when using a long range weapon. You can’t see the subtle and gradual change in expression from superior being to terrified drone. I could not be an internet troll. It’s too impersonal. I am a real life troll. Ten times worse when drunk because then everything is funny.

The Daily Change of Mind once hailed Old Holborn as part of the Anna Raccoon drive to raise the money to get a smoky bar owner out of jail. That was about a year ago. Now they have decided to ‘out’ him as a troll because of some things he said on Twitter. I have never Twitted so have no idea what he actually said but as a long time reader of his blog, I can guess that it was, shall we say, intemperate.

Those shouting ‘I say, that was a bit intemperate, don’t cha know, fellow?’ (I don’t know Liverpudlian but I guess it translates into ‘Orrite, orrite, calm down, calm down, they do dough dey don’t dey dough down in Dat London’ because most things do) were met with typical Old Holborn intransigence. If he had seen no reaction he would have moved on. He knew he would get a reaction. He was right. And once a bulldog has his teeth in, it’s a hell of a job to get them out.

It went a lot further than what happened to the dim Norwich troll who went for the smoky blogs almost two years back. We found him but issued no threats. We did not threaten him or his family. The Liverpool lot did threaten Old Holborn, his wife and daughters, his employers… the Daily Screech said the police were involved but failed to mention that it wasn’t OH they were looking into.

Free speech or not free speech, that is the question. Whether it be nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous sentences or by shouting ‘Racist-Nazi-Bigot’, silence them.

The latter has been the course of the lefties and all their sad little drones. Being upset is at least as bad as murder now, you’ll probably get a longer sentence for making someone uncomfortable than you will for sticking an axe in their head. What a weak and useless people we have become. If Darwin’s survival of the fittest is true, we are fucked.

Perhaps it’s for the best.

14 thoughts on “Free Speech for the right kind of speech.

  1. Free speech is absolutely vital.
    No progress was ever made without “offending” somebody.

    I learn a lot from those I don’t always agree with.
    We need a full spectrum of commentators, so that each individual reader can find some that entertain and inform him/her, but also occasionally force them to think.

    The freedom of the internet came along just in time, as the new Puritan age began. How the Righteous must hate it, while they feel they should appear to approve of it.

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    • XX How the Righteous must hate it, XX

      They DO. And it shows.

      You do not tzhink they are SERIOUSLY concerned about “porn” on the internet, do you?

      It is a smoke cloud * to cover the fact they just want to control the whole fucking kaboodle.

      * (Or maybe not, in their case. Would not want to go making them ill now, would we?)

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      • I lived in a theocratic police state for a few years. The internet was censored there, and part of the reason was said to be to keep out porn.
        But somehow enough porn sites managed to ‘beat’ the censor to keep the locals entertained.
        Sites exposing the true nature of the RoP did not beat the censor.
        Porn was just one of the excuses to enable them to keep out dissent.
        It’ll happen here over time, if the scum in charge get their way.

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  2. Oh yes, been the case for a good few years now that free speech is enshrined, but only if you’re singing from the correct hymn sheet, and do keep up at the back the page you’re on was used yesterday thats no longer approved.

    Haven’t bought a newspaper for well over 25 years, propaganda screamed too loud and bollocksed if i’m paying for my own brainwashing, sometimes read them online if free and fuck all has changed except that Peter Hitchens is always worth a read…the idiot box in the corner followed, almost never do i (or the good lady) watch the news, if we do within seconds we’re yelling at the twats to shut fuckin up and tell the truth.

    I too don’t always agree with Holborn, though like yersen i don’t Twatter or Facepalm, and i really couldn’t give a fuck what he’s supposed to have said anyway, if you don’t like what someone says don’t fuckin listen, if you don’t like what someone writes don’t fuckin read it, free speech isn’t just about the freedom to disagree its also about the freedom not to listen…or is the freedom to ignore the next battleground?

    Will the fuckin goggle box be permanently installed and permanently tuned to the govt channel everywhere you go in the not so distant future, in the future i’m glad i won’t be around to see will there be no getting away from 24/7 propaganda, will the chip they’ll eventually put in babies heads be spouting the right message till they turn the fucker off when the poor little drone has outlived its productive life or the program fails?

    I don’t read the papers or listen to the mainstream news twats, why can’t the professionally offended just fuck off and do the same with what annoys them

    Regards

    Judd

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  3. It was by allowing free speech that OH let trolls destroy the comments section of his blog. The blog part of his blog he destroyed himself by talking utter bollocks once too many times.

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    • I have first comment moderation. Trolls will shriek that I can’t believe in free speech if I have any kind of moderation.

      This is how I see it. In the real world, people can spout all the nonsense they want. I won’t stop them in any way. However, I am not letting them into my house to shout their rubbish from my windows.

      Moderation on one blog is not blocking free speech at all. The trolls have the whole Internet to babble into. I am not stopping them in any way, I am not blocking their free speech, but I am not obliged to facilitate it nor to give it a platform.

      I agree that there’s no point commenting on OH’s blog, it gets lost in the ‘ramblings of the insane’ as he correctly labels it. The same is true of Guido Fawkes’ blog, the comments on every post are like Bedlam at full moon.

      OH uses Blogger which has the option of full moderation or none at all. I can see why he chose ‘none at all’, having to approve every comment is a pain in the backside. That was one of the big reasons for moving to WordPress – it has that ‘first comment moderation’ so you only need to get past the moderation once and you’re in. It does have a sometimes-overenthusiastic spam filter which does mean lifting occasional legitimate posts from the spambox, but so far not one spam has come through.

      Oh isn’t really ‘allowing free speech’ because on the Internet, nobody can really prevent it anyway. If someone is blocked from a blog or forum they can talk on another or even start their own. OH is allowing the loonies free reign, I suspect because he finds it entertaining to do so.

      As for talking utter bollocks, well, let’s be honest, we all do that sometimes. If we equate ‘blog ownership’ with ‘real-world home’ then anyone can talk all the bollocks they want in their own home/blog. I have had many whisky-fuelled, logic-defying and subject-changing conversations at Smoky-Drinky that I wish I could remember enough of to write about because some of them would have made the entire dada-art community do a double-take. Nobody has to listen.

      Full support of free speech does not demand that you provide a broadcast platform for every nutjob out there. It just means you don’t try to shut them up when they pop up somewhere else. Unfortunately Blogger does not make that easy to do.

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      • XX I have had many whisky-fuelled, logic-defying and subject-changing conversations at Smoky-Drinky that I wish I could remember enough of to write about because some of them would have made the entire dada-art community do a double-take. XX

        I wish I had recorded some of the late…. VERY LATE night discussions we had, with 14 joints doing a round of six or seven people! (and rolling more as you were doing it!) 🙂 🙂

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  5. You know, Leggy, you are one extraordinarily irritating person.

    Not that I wish you to crawl into a hole and die – death is inevitable for all of us, and I have no desire to speed someone else’s. However, you manage to say in very few words exactly the thoughts that I have been trying to collate and express in pages and pages of jumbled writing. Not only that, you manage to say it lucidly and wittily, a skill of which I am extremely envious. I managed to say my piece regarding OH on Counting Cats, so will not repeat, here.

    Just let me add my own little aphorism, one that offers a reason as to why the British did manage to take over most of the world: offence cannot be given, it can only be taken.

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    • Irritating? I make ringworm feel like a suntan. I never suffer from stress but I know lots of people who do 😉

      You are right, of course. Nobody can be offended unless they want to be. I think it’s some sort of addiction.

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